(A number of friends have asked me to make this article–published originally in the Canadian journal ChristianWeek–available in this form. So here it is.)

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By their Honoraria Ye Shall Know Them

The way some Christian churches and other organizations pay their speakers, it makes me embarrassed to be a member of the same faith.

A friend of mine is a gifted staff worker with a well-known Christian organization on a university campus. He is married, with three young children, and works hard and long at his job. Frequently he is asked to speak at churches’ youth retreats or special events sponsored by other groups. Rarely is he paid well for what is in fact overtime work–for audiences other than the one that pays his regular salary.

One weekend, he left his family to speak at a retreat for more than 100 young people, each of whom paid to go away to a well-furnished camp for three days. My friend gave four talks and participated in a question-and-answer session—a typical, and demanding, schedule. But his work didn’t end there, of course. Retreat speakers are “on call” all weekend: for impromptu counseling, offering advice over mealtimes, and modeling what they preach on the volleyball court or around the campfire. Make no mistake: There is very little relaxing in that role, however restful the retreat might be for everyone else.

So at the end of this tiring weekend, at the close of the Sunday luncheon, the leader of the group thanked him profusely at the front of the dining hall (he had gone over very well). Then he tossed the speaker a T-shirt emblazoned with the group’s logo while everyone clapped. It took my friend several minutes to realize that this shirt was his total payment for the weekend’s work. He got in his car, without even a check for gasoline, and headed back to his waiting family.

An isolated and extreme example? Not at all. Every professional Christian speaker has stories like these.

A widely-respected author was asked to headline a fundraising banquet for a women’s organization. She prepared a talk on the subject requested, left her husband and children at home, drove herself in the family car across the city to the site of the meal, chatted with her tablemates, and then delivered her speech. Again, it was apparent from the applause and the warm remarks that greeted her when she took her seat that she had done her job well.

The evening ended, and the speaker was saying her goodbyes. The convenor then appeared in a gush of appreciation. “Your talk was just excellent,” she said. “Exactly what we wanted. Thank you so much for coming!” Then, by way of payment, she grandly swept her arm over the room and said, “Just help yourself to one of the table centerpieces.”

We Christians have two problems in this regard. One might be remedied by an article such as this one. The other can be fixed only by the Holy Spirit.

The former problem is that most people who invite speakers are not themselves professional speakers and so honestly don’t know how much is involved in doing this work well. So let’s price it out straightforwardly, and consider whether we pay people properly in the light of this analysis.

A speaker first has to receive the invitation, work with the inviter to clarify and agree upon terms (usually this takes correspondence back and forth), and confirm the date. Then the speaker has to prepare the talk. Sometimes a speaker can pull a prepared text out of a file, but usually at least some fresh preparation is necessary to fit the talk to this particular group and its context. (And let’s remember that the speaker at some time did indeed have to prepare this talk from scratch, so the inviting group does have a share in the responsibility for that preparation since they will be benefiting from it.) The speaker concludes her preparation by printing out her notes, and perhaps also prepares a photocopied outline, or overhead slides, or PowerPoint presentation for the benefit of the group.

Next, the speaker must make her travel arrangements and then actually travel. Most of this time is not productive: Airports and airplanes are not designed to aid serious work (unless the inviting group springs for first-class seats and airport lounges—an uncommon practice), and driving one’s car is almost entirely useless time.

The speaker arrives, and then has to wait for her particular slot. She finally gives her presentation, waits for everything to conclude, and returns home. If she is out of town, normally she will have to spend at least one night in a hotel room, probably sleeping badly in a strange bed and, again, spending time in transit that is largely unproductive.

Count up all of those hours. Not just the forty minutes she actually spoke at the banquet, or the four hours she was actually in front of the microphone during a weekend conference, but the many, many hours spent in the service of the inviting group from start to finish. Divide those hours into the honorarium, assuming her costs are covered (as they sometimes aren’t–for shame!), and you have the true wage the group paid her.

One speaker I know was asked to speak at a weekend conference requiring of her three plenary talks plus a couple of panel sessions. She would have to travel by plane for several hours and leave her family behind. The honorarium she was offered? Expenses plus $300. Her husband heard of it and replied with a rueful smile, “I’ll pay you three hundred bucks to stay home with us.”

Here’s yet another way to look at it. A speaker was asked to give the four major speeches at the annual meeting of a national Christian organization. He was also asked to come two days earlier than the staff meeting in order to address the national board twice. In return, he was offered travel expenses and accommodation for himself and his wife at the group’s posh conference center—of which they were extremely proud.

So the speaker asked for an honorarium of $2000: for the five days he would be away plus all of the time he would spend in preparation for this large responsibility. The group’s president immediately withdrew the invitation, saying he was charging too much.

Now, let’s think about this. Transportation to this remote facility entailed the speaker and his wife driving their car part of the way, then taking a ferry, and then perhaps a float plane. The group clearly had no trouble covering considerable traveling expenses. The group also was covering similar expenses for two dozen board members and well over a hundred staff. The conference center was advertised in its glossy brochures as deluxe, and it looked that way in the photos.

So what would be the total budget for a weekend like this? Figure on, conservatively, 150 people with travelling expenses of an average of $600 each (allowing for airfare across the country for most) plus accommodation expenses of at least $200 each for the long weekend. This comes out to a total budget of at least $120,000. Let’s assume that the group would offer the speaker some sort of honorarium—surely at least $500. This means that on a total budget of $120,500, this group disinvited its speaker because of a difference of $1500—slightly more than one percent of its conference budget. Is this good stewardship by a Christian nonprofit corporation? Or is it something else?

One wonders about the “something else” when one looks closer to home and examines the typical honoraria given to preachers who fill pulpits when pastors are on vacation. Most churches now pay $100 or so, although I know of many, including both mainline and smaller evangelical congregations, who still pay less.

Let us ask ourselves, before God, how we can justify paying a guest preacher a mere hundred bucks. He has to accept the invitation and get clear on his various duties from the person who invites him. He has to prepare the sermon—again, even if he is going to preach one he has preached before, he still has to decide upon which one to preach and then prepare to preach it well on this occasion. He has to travel to our church and take his place with the other worship leaders. He has to preach the sermon, and greet people afterwards. Then he has to drive home.

Time it out, and it’s likely ten hours or more that he has invested in our church. We offer him a hundred dollars, and that works out to ten bucks an hour—a little more than minimum wage. He has to pay all of the taxes on that, so now he’s taking home between fifty and sixty dollars. Is that what we think our preachers are worth?

Let’s look at this from another angle. The average congregation isn’t large, so let’s suppose that about 200 people are to hear that sermon. By offering the preacher even $150 (which is more than most churches pay), we’re saying that his sermon is worth less than a dollar for each person who hears it.

Those who would invite speakers to their events should do this simple bit of division: Take the proposed honorarium and divide it by the number of talks, then divide it again by the number of people in the audience. The result is the price per talk per person. So ask yourself: Is the talk you want your speaker to give worth less than an ice cream cone? Much less than a Starbucks coffee?

Let’s look at it still another way. Many Christian speakers have expertise that is in demand from secular agencies as well. Invariably those agencies pay better, and sometimes a lot better. A Christian psychologist I know has told me that he is paid at least a thousand dollars per full day of consulting with government agencies. He counts himself blessed if he is offered even half that much by a Christian group. Flip it around, and we observe that even we cheap Christians routinely pay high wages to our physicians, lawyers, plumbers, airline pilots, and other skilled people whose work we want done for us in an excellent fashion. Why don’t we pay Christian speakers accordingly?

Some of us even self-righteously think that we shouldn’t pay such people at all because they’re doing “Christian” work or “spiritual” work and therefore shouldn’t charge for it. (I was once asked to speak to a national convention of Christian lawyers whose president inquired as to what was my fee–”if any.” In reply, I was sorely tempted to ask him to draw up my will, arrange for the sale of my house, and defend me on my next parking ticket, and then ask him what his fee would be–”if any.”)

The notion, however, that spiritual, or theological, or other “Christian” expertise should not be paid for is utterly foreign to the Bible. From the Old Testament requirements that generous provision be made for the priests to Paul’s commands in the New Testament that pastoral workers are worthy of their wages and should be paid such (I Corinthians 9), the Bible believes that people in such occupations are worthy of both esteem and financial support. Indeed, we show our esteem precisely in the financial support we give them. We think our physical health matters, so we pay good money for good physicians. How much does our spiritual health matter? Well, let’s see what we typically pay for it. We are, in fact, putting our money where our mouth is.

One speaker put it this way: “I’m not in this line of work for the money, but for the ministry. All I want is not to be insulted by the people I’m serving by them paying me less than they pay their kids’ piano teachers or their own hair stylists. They can say all the nice things they want when I’m finished. But when they hand me a paltry check, what are they really saying? What do they expect me to conclude about how much they value my work?”

Thus we encounter the latter problem, the one that only the Holy Spirit of God can address. It might be that we pay Christian speakers badly because we were unaware of all that is involved in preparing and delivering an excellent speech. Okay. But now that we know better, we should pay better. The latter problem of simply undervaluing such Christian service, however, is a problem in our hearts, not our heads. And the Bible is plain: We undervalue our spiritual teachers at the peril of undervaluing the divine truth they bring us. God frowns on such parsimony.

Indeed, God has threatened one day to mete out to each of us our appropriate wages for such behavior. And those wages will make even a T-shirt or a table centerpiece look pretty good.

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An earlier version of this article appears in the book Church: An Insider’s Look at How We Do It
(reprint edition available from Regent College Publishing). This article may be forwarded or otherwise distributed as long as these credits are duly included. Copyright John G. Stackhouse, Jr., 2005.

20 Responses to “Fair Payment for Speakers”

  1. Brion Brooks Says:

    As a pastor, I can understand how underpaid professors feel abused that what they hoped to be paid is not in keeping with what the (usually) non-profit organization offers.

    As a former lawyer of 20 years, though, I can appreciate that when someone agrees to offer their services without mentioning compensation, they have precious little reason to complain that the recipient of their services didn’t feel compelled to pay them.

    If a speaker feels her time and talent are worth compensation at a minimum level, then for Pete’s sake tell the recipient; don’t gripe that the recipient didn’t read your mind.

    And if a speaker DOES set a minimum rate – and the recipient doesn’t want to pay it – its rather disingenuous to then complain (just as its rather disingenuous for the recipient to complaint about the price the speaker is charging).

    I cannot imagine being called to a church and never having negotiated my salary, benefits, and at least a general idea of the pastor’s and church’s mutual responsibilities. I’m guessing that most professors, when they first hire into colleges or universities, also negotiate such things.

    The bottom line: A little self differentiation is a powerful thing. Better to ask what was our own role in the mis-communication, than to simply demonize the other.

    I know, I know. In the kingdom of God the economics is all different. Recipients of a service should be willing to pay generously; and the speaker should be willing to give generously of his or her time. By that measure, your blog seems to suggest that BOTH sides have fallen short, eh?


  2. Brother Brooks, thanks for this important complementary note. Speakers should indeed talk turkey up front and must take their/our share of the blame when we feel we have been improperly remunerated. And I like your point about “self differentiation,” even if some might find it a bit obscure. We do need to take responsibility for our role in any system.

    Let me add to your point just a little in two respects.

    First, we speakers have to be careful to work through the issues of self-esteem involved in such negotiations. We can think both too highly and too lowly of ourselves pretty easily. We can also try hard to be humble and then be outraged when people agree with our (feigned) estimate of our worth!

    We have to be prepared, in fact, to have some people think we’re venal, money-grubbing “workers for hire” who lack pastoral concern for this or that audience or ministry or congregation. We can do a little educating in the course of our negotiations, but sometimes one just has to walk away and be pretty sure that those on the other side have condemned you as a slave of Mammon. The only alternative is to let people pay you whatever they want to, and if you’re fine with that, great! If not, though, Brother Brooks’s advice is squarely on target: Speak up, state your opinion, and let the chips fall where they may.

    Second, those who invite speakers should do the courteous thing and raise the issue of fees right up front, with a clear indication of their expectations. Speakers and hosts should not be trying to negotiate in the financial dark, leaving money out of the conversation until some vague point in the future. Get the money question on the table with everything else right away and just deal with it like adults.

    Please be clear, though, that I didn’t write this post primarily on behalf of professors. Most of my illustrations, in fact, came from people in other lines of work: campus ministers, freelance authors, pastors preaching in other pulpits, consultants, and so on.

  3. Lukas Says:

    I’m in campus ministry, and I get paid a salary by my employer. When I speak at an outside event, therefore, it is not my livelihood which is at stake. I am usually happy with just my expenses being covered.
    Do you not think there is a difference between people like me (who already have a salary, freeing them up to ‘full-time’ ministry) and someone who is a ‘professional speaker’ in the sense that they depend on speaking fees as their primary/soul source of income?


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  6. joyfullyyours Says:

    I fully agree with you John, I do get paid to do what I do, but a speaking engagement outside the gathering within my employer’s setting, means extra planning, travel, time away. I would rather receive nothing at all, than a trivial sum. It’s kind of like tipping your waitstaff $.50 on a 50.00 meal. More of a statement of discontent than thanks. It’s not a mistake that the monies given is called an “honorarium”, the word begins with honor – the offering should do just that for the person being given it. It should not be an afterthought, nor should it be under thought…the secular world gets this, and The Church should step up.

  7. P. W. Dunn Says:

    Stackhouse wrote:

    “We have to be prepared, in fact, to have some people think we’re venal, money-grubbing “workers for hire” who lack pastoral concern for this or that audience or ministry or congregation. We can do a little educating in the course of our negotiations, but sometimes one just has to walk away and be pretty sure that those on the other side have condemned you as a slave of Mammon. The only alternative is to let people pay you whatever they want to, and if you’re fine with that, great! If not, though, Brother Brooks’s advice is squarely on target: Speak up, state your opinion, and let the chips fall where they may.”

    John: Thanks for this excellent article. I am in complete agreement with you and have lobbied at our church to insist on honorariums for all speakers, including those who are members of the congregation who were formerly neglected.

    The problem is very deeply entrenched in evangelicalism. In 1998, as an adjunct professor at a well-known Canadian seminary, I taught a full-time equivalent course load. My yearly salary came to $16,200 ($2,700 x six courses; and as you pointed out, as a contract worker I was responsible for all CPP and all other taxes). I worked my butt off. One of my students was a manager at a MacDonald’s and was being paid over 25K with benefits. So you can say whatever you want and write articles, but the seminary, where our church leaders are trained, instructs through its actions that teaching ministries are not worth very much.

    The Dean, who is a well-respected theological educator and administrator whom also I still love, told me many times that he was doing me a favor, that I was getting my foot in the door. Many others wanted to teach there, he said, and some were even offering to do it for free.

    After the Dean left the school, I told the interim dean that I would no longer teach courses of more than 12 students for $2700 unless I had a TA to mark the papers. He told me that I would no longer be asked to teach. So I decided to teach in Africa pro bono to truly poor students who couldn’t afford my services–why should I pour myself out for next to nothing for those who can afford to pay me properly? I have not taught a single course in North America since that time over 10 years ago. Because I was outspoken, I got a very bad reputation and at one point was libeled by the seminary in the local Christian community (but that issue has since been resolved). This was a very painful situation for me.

    I came to realize that the only way to change this systemic abuse was to start a union. So I quit teaching in North America instead.


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  10. blepo27 Says:

    Good post. This information is badly needed in our churches. I recently taught a multi-session seminar on the coast opposite me. It required an extensive amount of preparation, as well as many hours of travel. While many people may look at the honorarium I received and say “not bad,” when you factor in all of the things you noted, I made just over $3 per hour. Lucky for me I don’t do this full-time. If I did, I’d probably be living on the street.


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  12. As a Christian professional speaker/author I have agonized over this issue. Do I charge a fee? How much? The difficult reality is that as a Christian woman in ministry, if I do not have a set fee, I will be expected to “give it away for free” because, after all, I have a husband to take care of me. One of my greatest joys is that because I get paid to do ministry, it frees me to “give it away” when guided to do so by the Holy Spirit. If I did not get paid, I could not afford that joyful generosity.


  13. I too agree with you, John and appreciate this article. However, I do see two sides to the issue. I speak and teach regularly so I definitely see your side. Just last week I was asked to travel to a town 7 hours away to speak at two separate groups. The fee offered, $130.00, and that included my expences. I said no.

    But I am also part of a Christian group that runs two conferences each year. Our fee for our speakers is terribly low and I cringe when I offer it. We do cover all expences but I still feel guilty that we can’t pay more. But we can’t.

    Every time we hold the conference we hold our breath and pray that we break even. Our venue is adequate but not luxurious and their fees keep creeping up each year. Our budget is meager and our committee completely volunteer. We spend many hours in meetings and planning each year, including some travel. We have managed to stay afloat for many years, by the grace of God I believe, but if we had to drastically raise our rates for attendees to cover higher fees for speakers I don’t think we would be able to carry on. So we are caught between a rock and a hard place.
    If you have any advice for us I’d be happy to consider it.
    Thanks for standing up for all of us who speak but I just thought I’d add a bit in defence of those groups that really can’t pay more.


  14. Sister Marcia,

    I have no problem with a conference having to ask speakers to work for a low fee IF three conditions obtain: (1) you are up front with speakers about what you can and can’t do for them financially; (2) you are prepared to run a conference with the speakers you can afford; and (3) you’re being imaginative about partnerships so as to maximize both attendance and funding for what you’re doing.

    At some point, we all have to look in the mirror and ask whether our project is still viable. “God talks through money, too,” a friend of mine wisely says. And if the money is no longer there to do what we want to do, we should go find some more, or change our expectations, or simply stop.

    What we can’t do is believe that we should just go on forever, no matter what the financial situation. That way lies bitterness, disappointment, and misdirected rage at God, or speakers who charge “too much,” or conferees who no longer attend, or whomever, when the real problem is that our project’s usefulness is over and we can’t admit it.

    One last thought. In the business world, people understand that you sometimes have to spend money to make money, whether on marketing, or improving your product, or whatever. If conferences keep scaling back on the quality of their speakers to keep costs down (and you know I don’t think that there is an exact correlation between fees and quality!), then guess what eventually happens.

    So, my friend, keep getting clear with your fellow volunteers just what your calling really is in this case, what you need from God to make it happen, and what you can do to cooperate with God to make it happen. And then see how God provides!

  15. jordan Says:

    I toured for 10 years as both worship leader and communicator. I never had issues with this by one simple mechanism.

    I sent out a ministry agreement form at time of initial contact which had a section about what was a normal pay range for their event. The section then noted that money should not be a barrier to ministry and if they could not be in the normal pay range we could discuss their budget constraints (of course there would be no budget constraints if believers would tithe..ha!). There was a section that included my travel expenses that were to be reimbursed, cancellations policy, and a blank for them to fill in the honorarium they were to pay.

    In ten years of doing a myriad of events, I never had a problem with feeling angry over pay with that process. It is merely a means of reducing the assumptions of both parties.

  16. Jan Owen Says:

    I’ve encountered this doing weddings and funerals as well. As a pastor, I am asked to serve in these capacities for many people I’ve never even met. I had someone say one time “Don’t you feel bad for taking people’s money to do a funeral?” and I said “no! I did a good job, traveled, prepared and gave my best and provided a needed service”.

    I think that’s what bothers me the most – the idea that I SHOULDN’T be paid if I’m spiritual and that my expertise and experience and even time is worthless.

    To ask for this in retreat or teaching settings is very hard for me. I’m still learning how. I like the idea of a form…..


  17. It is particularly thoughtless for people to invite speakers and say nothing about costs and honoraria–which happens a lot. The inviters are very clear up front about what they want and when they want it, but then expect speakers to simply say yes or no without knowing what the financial terms will be. In what other profession would this occur? None that I can think of.

  18. Todd Says:

    What about those of us that can consider outside speaking engagements as covered by the ministry we work for?

    When asked to speak at a youth conference, I don’t have to take time off, I’m allowed to reshuffle other ministry priorities, etc. because the church allows/desires this sort of broader ministry as well.

    Maybe I am in a unique situation, but I often feel that I am already being compensated by the church I pastor in for these tasks.


  19. Brother Todd,

    The easy answer is: “Hey, nice for you and nice for your weekend hosts!” And maybe that’s all that pertains to your situation.

    But may I suggest one or two more thoughts for your/our consideration.

    1. If you do work for free, or cheap, you lose the opportunity to help this group understand and budget for what a “fair wage” would be for the next person they invite.

    2. If you do work for free, you’re not asking those who are receiving the main benefit of your ministry to pay for it, but rather asking the people of your own organization to pay for it.

    Now, if your organization sees strategic reason to subsidize your work elsewhere (maybe it helps them build relationships, maybe it lets them serve people they otherwise couldn’t serve), then groovy. But it’s worth considering whether it’s right, or at least best, to take donations from your organization to pay for your time to serve another group that is able to pay for it themselves.

    3. None of what I’m saying speaks against doing pro bono work–or work for a small honorarium that is the best a particular group can afford. I do that regularly myself and gladly.

  20. Todd Says:

    Thanks for the additional thoughts. I hope we all seek to what is right, and that requires the wisdom in seeing the bigger picture. I especially appreciated your first point and in many cases there could be something given, either to myself, my church (that is paying for me to go), or to some other organization to help them in a good pattern.

    Thanks!

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