Suggestions for Master’s Degree-Level Students Considering Ph.D. Studies, especially in Religion, Theology, and the Like

Prof. John G. Stackhouse, Jr., Ph.D. (Chicago), Sangwoo Youtong Chee Professor of Theology and Culture, Regent College, Vancouver, Canada
with thanks to Prof. D. Bruce Hindmarsh, D.Phil. (Oxford), for contributions

Please note: This document is not an official statement of Regent College or its Faculty.

Also: See my blog entry, “Should You Write a Master’s Thesis?” here and my blog entry, “Ph.D. Applicants: Don’t Apply Unless You Mean It ” here.

As you undertake the process of discernment, ask yourself the following questions:

1. Do I have what it takes to do a Ph.D.?
• Do I have a consistent “A” average (3.7 GPA or higher) in my graduate courses? Is my previous academic record strong, or is there a good reason why it isn’t? (Explain that good reason in any letter of application!)
• For American programs, are my GRE scores (Verbal and Written) at or above the 85th percentile—and, for most competitive programs, 90th or above?
• Have I won any academic awards in undergraduate or graduate work?
• Has a professor ever told me that my academic work is outstanding or publishable?
• Has a professor singled me out to ask me to work as his or her (academic) TA?
• Has a professor, on his or her own initiative, ever approached me to suggest that I seek a Ph.D.? (If not, then ask the professors who know your work best to give you a candid answer as to their estimates of your abilities in this occupation. And don’t settle for a polite, but vague, reply!)
• Have I written and defended a successful thesis? (There is nothing like completing a master’s thesis to tell you whether you have what it takes—intellectually, psychologically, and otherwise—to complete a Ph.D. and go on to a scholarly career. There may be good reasons to earn a master’s degree by comprehensive examination(s) instead—taking additional courses in your field, for instance—but nothing short of the Ph.D. dissertation itself resembles professional-level research like a master’s thesis. Remember, too, that you can always take a few more courses and undertake a thesis: a graduate school’s minimum requirements for graduation—e.g., 60 hours for Regent’s MCS—are just that: minimum requirements.)

2. Do I want to do a Ph.D.?
• Do I find delight in long hours of intense, extended, solitary study?
• Have I found some of my greatest satisfaction in researching and writing long research papers? Would I like to write more?
• Do I have a strong intellectual drive and curiosity that is becoming more concentrated in a certain field or several related fields? (This impetus needs to be distinguished clearly and honestly from a drive to have a Ph.D. in order to obtain something else, whether an attractive job, a certain status, a sense of accomplishment, and so on.)

3. Have I counted the cost of doing a Ph.D.? Have I thought about the following particulars?
• The Ph.D. is an independent project and I should not expect significant help or personal interest from my supervisor. Some supervisors are very helpful; a minority become true mentors; but many give relatively little guidance.
• This will take up at least three, and as many as ten, years of my life.
• These will be years of lost earnings and financial insecurity.
• It is still very difficult to get an academic job, even with a Ph.D. from a prestigious university and a few publications. (More jobs are available now than was the case a decade or so ago, but many schools are not replacing retiring faculty with full-time, tenure-track positions and are resorting to part-time, sessional teachers instead.)
• Once I have a Ph.D. and get a typical academic job, I then will have to work long hours preparing new courses, participating on committees, and seeing students. I will do so, furthermore, under the pressure of a tenure clock for about six years to “publish or perish.” The job insecurity, that is, doesn’t end with getting the Ph.D.
• Many people begin but do not successfully complete a Ph.D. (Some reports describe an attrition rate as high as 50 per cent.)
• While there can be much to enjoy in these student years, many Ph.D. students have found that the Ph.D. puts significant strain on their marriages, families, self-identity, and spiritual life.
• And what about children? The Chronicle of Higher Education reports on the challenges involved here, especially for women.

4. Does God want me to do a Ph.D.?
• Do I feel I have gifts in scholarship and teaching? Do I feel inwardly moved by the Holy Spirit to pursue the Ph.D. as part of a calling to study and teach? How do I know this is the Holy Spirit?
• How has this calling been confirmed by others and by experience? What does my Christian community think? Would this decision have the enthusiastic endorsement of those closest to me, who know me best?
• How might I serve the Church and the Kingdom of God better with a Ph.D. than without one?
• The Ph.D. is the requirement for most postsecondary teaching positions, but have I considered whether God has gifted and called to teach and research in some other sphere? Have I fully explored my motives, and am I satisfied that I am not interested in a Ph.D. simply to prove something to somebody or to myself, to flee some other situation, or for other unsound reasons? None of our motives is ever entirely pure or unmixed with other motives, but how deep is my self-knowledge about my desire to do a Ph.D.?

If after thinking and praying through all of this you want to begin making your first enquiries into Ph.D. studies, then you need to find the right Ph.D. program and the necessary funding as your first research task. Furthermore, if you intend to proceed from spring graduation to September or October matriculation in a Ph.D. program, you will need to begin your research no later than the previous summer, in order to apply properly in the autumn of the year before you expect to begin doctoral work. Many students take at least one transitional year after master’s graduation to earn some money, to gather information, and to make applications.

(In the mid-1990s, the Chronicle of Higher Education reported that the average age of recipients of the Ph.D. in the humanities in the United States was 34. In theological or religious studies, it was 37—many of these students had taken time to work between master’s degree [typically M.A. or M.Div.] and the Ph.D. Some programs have tried to shorten the time to degree, and perhaps the average has dropped—but likely not by much, if at all.)

Note also that there are three main forms of Ph.D. program in Canada and the USA: (1) the secular university Ph.D. in religious studies, that generally requires a B.A. and M.A. (or equivalent) in religious studies (or a closely cognate field); (2) the (usually secular university-affiliated) mainline divinity school Ph.D. in religious studies, theology, biblical studies, etc., that generally requires a M.A., M.Div., or M.C.S. but does not require a B.A. in religious studies (these programs can be quite rigorous and prestigious—such as Duke, Chicago, Princeton Seminary, or the Toronto School of Theology—and tend to have more courses and examinations required than option 1 in order to compensate for students not having the B.A. in the field); and (3) the evangelical university or seminary Ph.D. (e.g., Wheaton, Fuller, Trinity Evangelical, that generally have the same requirements as option 2). Note that degrees from option 3 schools generally will not advantage you outside the evangelical higher education network. British university Ph.D. programs—even the best—tend to be less strict about formal requirements and thus sometimes accept theological students without a B.A. in religious studies.

A Few Suggestions about Applying:

• You are not ready to make direct enquiries and apply to Ph.D. programs until you have narrowed down a field and at least one possible research subject. Before you make enquiries with a program or a prospective supervisor, you should have a written statement of your intended research subject. Ideally, you will have all three of the following statements: a one-sentence description of your research question; a one-page summary (c. 300 words); and a longer, more detailed elaboration (perhaps 3 or more pages). You will be repeatedly called upon for one or more of these statements in conversations, letters, program applications, and grant applications, and the sooner you get them down precisely on paper, the better. Everyone knows that this will change (maybe quite dramatically) as you get into your work, but this is a necessary beginning, and a test of your ability to propose an intelligent, significant, and “complete-able” research project.
• Search out possible Ph.D. programs by asking your professors, writing to authors you have read in the field, consulting recent bibliographies, and looking up entries in guides such as the Dictionary of American Scholars.
• Rather than think in terms of generating an ideal academic résumé and then pitching it to various Ph.D. programs, work it the other way around. Early in the process, contact the admissions personnel of the several Ph.D. programs you have targeted (if you can’t find this information on the school’s website), and ask them what you will need in terms of course work, foreign languages, and other prerequisites. Then see if you have what it takes before you apply.
• Before you write to a prospective Ph.D. supervisor, make sure you read all of the major works that he or she has written in the area of your interest. Otherwise, you appear not to be a serious enquirer. The formula then for writing to a prospective Ph.D. supervisor is this: “If my application were to be accepted by the admissions committee, would you be interested, in principle, in supervising me as a Ph.D. student working on ————-?” The conditional elements in this formula allow your academic correspondent the freedom to engage with you without worrying that he or she is making any promises. You might also ask for advice in preparing your application to that particular program. Many students have found it worthwhile to travel to visit prospective schools and supervisors and ask these questions on-site. It is not necessary to do so, and it provides no guarantee of admission, but it likely helps everyone involved to determine whether there is a good “fit” there or not.
• When it comes time to make formal application to a Ph.D. program and to granting agencies, you will need at least the following: transcripts for all academic degrees, three academic references, one or two substantial specimens of your writing, and a short statement of your intended research subject. (This last statement is extremely important and normally will be scrutinized more closely than anything else you send in your application package.) You should also compile a list of any academic distinctions such as awards or prizes, publications, research experiences, and so on. In the USA and in some Canadian programs you will also usually need GRE scores—and the Verbal and Writing parts of this examination also are very important. (The Math part generally isn’t for religious studies and theology, so don’t spend time boning up on algebra that you could spend on your vocabulary!) They are seen as “validators” of the good grades and recommendations that you send along, and if they aren’t high enough, everything else in your package will be devalued. Some preparation courses (such as those offered by the Stanley Kaplan company) are reputed to help students improve their scores. It will be well worthwhile to take the test more than once if your first scores are not high enough—for premier programs, that means 90th percentile or higher—because low scores almost automatically disqualify you, and high scores likely will increase the level of financial aid offered.
• Think of each of your applications as a customized application, geared for that particular Ph.D. program. It is worthless to try to mass market yourself to dozens of schools. Prepare to apply particularly to each program, explicitly taking into account the research and teaching areas of all the professors in your main field—not just your prospective supervisor’s.
• Your first source of funding, and of information about other funding, is the Ph.D. program itself to which you are applying. Make your first enquiries there through the admissions office.
• Make sure that the Ph.D. program meets your requirements and standards, rather than just worrying about whether you will be accepted. Ask for the names of present and former Ph.D. students from the institution, and ideally from your prospective supervisor, and interview them. Ask them whether the program has met their expectations and the demands of their jobs (if they have graduated and found work in the academy). Note: It is not uncommon for a professor to be well known in a given field and prolific as an author but also to have a dreadful record as a supervisor of doctoral candidates.
• Consider carefully the differences in program requirements (and therefore the length and breadth of the requirements!) among universities, especially (but not only) among different countries. The US tends to have the longest and broadest Ph.D. programs (with courses and comprehensive examinations, as well as a dissertation); the UK to have the shortest and narrowest (some with only a dissertation); Canada and Australia are in between.
• Apply to several schools, and at least one a little more demanding than you think you might be accepted in, and one that you’re confident of acceptance by that is a place to which you would be happy to go.

Some Recommended Reading:

The Chronicle of Higher Education—print edition and on-line edition: Many articles deal with this issue from various angles.
Wayne C. Booth et al. The Craft of Research. University of Chicago Press, 1995.
John Goldsmith et al. The Chicago Guide to Your Academic Career. University of Chicago Press, 2001.
John G. Stackhouse, Jr. “Why Johnny Can’t Produce Christian Scholarship: A Reflection on Real-Life Impediments.” Chapter in Evangelical Landscapes: Facing Critical Issues of the Day. Baker Academic, 2001. Pp. 141-60.
David Sternberg. How to Complete and Survive a Doctoral Dissertation. St. Martin’s, 1981.

81 Responses to “Thinking about a Ph.D.?”


  1. [...] love!) is thinking about a Ph.D.—and who doesn’t, every once in a while?!—I have posted a page of advice that we distribute to students here at Regent [...]

  2. Jon Coutts Says:

    excellent. thank you

  3. Patrick Gardella Says:

    I was curious what other spheres you are referring to?

    “The Ph.D. is the requirement for most postsecondary teaching positions, but have I considered whether God has gifted and called to teach and research in some other sphere?”

    I could probably name a few, but I’d like hear more.

    Thank you.

  4. Charles Says:

    This is very helpful, and I speak as one who is currently in a Ph.D. program now. Thanks.

    I have posted a link to this post at my blog http://www.bibleexposition.net


  5. [...] Stackhouse just posted a very helpful discussion regarding PhD studies in general, why you might consider one, and how to go about applying. Most of [...]


  6. Brother Gardella asks about different spheres in which one can undertake teaching and research in religious studies.

    I’ll write a blog entry soon about that, okay? Thanks for asking!

  7. dopderbeck Says:

    Do you have something similar on “Thinking about an M.Div.,” / “MCS” / “Certificate in Christian Studies”? I’ll bet there are lots of middle-aged career guys like myself, interested in theology and how it relates to our vocations, who are probably too old for a Ph.D. but who have often pined to spend some time in a good seminary. I’d be interested to hear some thoughts on that a well.


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  9. Friend “dopderbeck” asks about master’s-level training. I have already written about “who needs seminary” here. If you have follow-up questions of comments, by all means post them!

  10. Matt Pierce Says:

    Thanks for the great advice! But, I think this advice is different for people who are in different fields such as Economics/Finance/CIS.

  11. Tim B. Says:

    Great advice. I recently posted a series on my blog regarding the pursuit of the Ph.D. in Biblical Studies, including detailed posts on the GRE and writing the statement of purpose:

    http://tabrookins.blogspot.com/search/label/Ph.D.


  12. Brother Matt, of course you’re right: some of the advice would be indeed different for other fields (not least my pooh-poohing of the Quantitative/Math score on the GRE!).

    Brother Tim, I enjoyed your blog posts on getting into a competitive Ph.D. program in the US. I liked your realism and straight shooting, and I’m sure others will benefit from what you have written there.

  13. Mark Says:

    Cynically I’d probably say, “Thinking of a PhD?” Well don’t.
    I say that as one who has nearly finished one, and can tick off all basically all the checkboxes in the top list of 4. But I’d add these to #3.
    - Depending on the country you live, are you willing to drag your family pretty much anywhere in the world in order to get a job. More importantly, are they willing to go?
    - Spend some time talking to the people with PhD’s who weren’t able to get full-time lecturing jobs in academia. There are heaps of these people, and most of them are very talented. If you can still stomach the possibility of settling for some administrative job (not that there’s anything wrong with that) while you keep trying to get a full-time lecturing job (knowing that some people have been doing this for years – or the rest of their lives), then proceed to application.


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  15. dopderbeck Says:

    Prof. Stackhouse — thanks for the link to the post on the M.Div. BTW — do you really learn how to answer all those questions like the problem of evil and how to interpret Gen. 1-3? I’d sign up for that in a minute! :-)

    Here’s my more specific question: how about for folks like me who likely won’t ever be vocational pastors but who (a) hope to integrate theology into their existing vocation; and (b) sometimes are called on to act pastorally without being a vocational pastor (e.g., leading small groups, mentoring people, etc). I’m a lawyer and a law professor who leads a couple of church and para-church small groups , for example. Seems like an M.Div. would be too much here.

  16. sean Says:

    Some additional information from one who has recently gone through the application process.

    Duke has two doctoral options. One (ThD) is through the divinity school. The other (PhD) is through the Graduate Program in Religion, which is part of the Graduate School of Arts and Science. The ThD is a new program and trying to establish itself; it is also much easier to get into (but still relatively difficult, accepting maybe 10% or more of applications). For the PhD in Theology, one application is accepted out of between 60 and 90 applications (the number is getting less as more are applying for a ThD instead). NT prospects are a bit better but not by much.

    Because of the scarcity of students in the PhD program, faculty are getting fewer and fewer students. I would not recommend contacting only one faculty member to be one’s prospective adviser, nor would I recommend writing something that could be a dissertation prospectus. Instead, contact a variety of faculty about the program and about your interests. Sometimes faculties at very competitive schools are divided along ideological lines and it is better to show broad interest in the program as a whole, not a particular adviser. Many of us are admitted thinking we will work with one faculty member and end up switching focus, etc. No one holds you to your statement of purpose, and almost everyone changes their mind. I would instead write something that shows breadth as well as focus, and include a variety of faculty without showing your cards too much. (The same applies to applications to Yale, though the smaller faculty there. Right now the only systematic theologians there are Miroslav Volf and Shannon Craigo-Snell). I also recommend showing that your interests are interdisciplinary and include university resources outside the religion department or divinity school. At Duke one PhD requirement is an external minor outside of the religion program. Also, your application may go though committees that do not have theologians on it (Yale, for example.) You will have to appeal not only to theologians, but also to those who may be hostile to the academic study of Christian Theology. The advice I got from one prominent theologian at Yale was not to make myself sound too “Christian” or “committed.” He also told me to submit a non-theology writing sample that made me seem more secular (this would be less the case at Duke, where the process is a bit different).

    The payoff at ultra competitive programs like Duke, Yale, Vanderbilt, (now) Chicago, Notre Dame, and Emory is that they are fully funded normally for five years, typically with full tuition and between 15,000 and 25,000 a year for a living stipend. The vast majority of students accepted at such programs (at least at Yale and Duke and I would imagine Chicago) have master’s degrees from Yale, Duke, or Chicago. Almost no one in theology or NT has degrees from evangelical seminaries, and those who do were admitted in the days when more students were admitted or have a second Master’s degree from Yale, Duke, Chicago, or Harvard. But ultimately it is based on the strength of the application. As a rule, Duke and Yale care most about GRE scores and will not consider your application if you have a verbal score lower than 700. They use low GRE scores to narrow the applicant pool.

  17. dopderbeck Says:

    Sean (and John) — interesting that the “top” schools don’t admit from evangelical institutions — even those that can’t fairly be called “fundamentalist” e.g. Fuller, Regent C., etc.?? Why is that? Do the see something as fundamentally lacking in preparation, or is it ideological?


  18. Sean and dopderbeck raise some very helpful points.

    I chuckled at Sean characterizing Chicago as only “(now) competitive.” That doesn’t exactly square with the experiences of many students who did not get into Chicago while getting into other first-rank schools over the last two decades. And it doesn’t match up with my own, getting in to the program I did with only one other student, a Rhodes scholar.

    As for evangelical schools, I agree with Sean that the very top schools tend to accept only their own. But we at Regent have sent people to pretty good places in the last few years: Duke, Chicago, Oxford, Cambridge, St. Andrews, Notre Dame, and the like. And I know Fuller has, too. So I can’t agree that things are quite as bleak as Sean says. But he seems dead on regarding GREs and a number of other things he says, so I’m very glad, Sean, for what you’ve written for us.

    Ideology? You bet it matters. So we all have to accept the world as it is, including the world of academe, and do the best we can. But don’t despair, either: some of us do manage to infiltrate the upper echelons, one way or another. And one of those ways is not to earn a Ph.D. at the very best places but to nonetheless end up TEACHING at them! Examples: Harry Stout, Ph.D. from Kent State, now Jonathan Edwards Professor of American Christianity at Yale; Larry Hurtado, Ph.D. from Case Western Reserve, now head of New College Edinburgh.

    Carry on, friends!

  19. sean Says:

    i hope i haven’t been discouraging. I completely agree with John’s last remark and what lies behind it; in the end, what matters is how smart one is, not where one was trained. One should focus less on credentials and more on substance, recognizing that, though credentials can help, substance is finally more important and more determinative.

    John, I didn’t mean to say that chicago wasn’t competitive. I see how it could be read that way. I meant to say that it didn’t fully fund everyone before now. Chicago used to be notorious for making their students compete for funding. chicago has been and is now one of the top tier programs in which to study academic theology. sorry for the miscommunication. This year, my friend who got in to chicago told me that they only accepted 3 theology students this year and guaranteed five years of funding at 20,000 a year.

    Also, there are at least four people I know of in the PhD program at Duke with Trinity degrees, plenty of ThD students have evangelical degrees, and there are also some at Yale that I know of with degrees from Fuller and Trinity. But it is getting harder and harder. The schools are getting less funding from the graduate school in order to maintain good job placement. Five years ago, between 3 and 5 people were accepted in Theology and Ethics at Duke and Yale. Now Duke has one position together, and Yale has one for each. Why not evangelical schools? It probably is a combination of ideology, a perception of a lack of rigor, a sense that the best students are choosing to go to their divinity schools. They tend to draw from their own schools because the students are well known, the faculty between schools usually know and trust each other, and, if there is a better chance of the student accepting the program. At Yale and Duke, it if they offer admission and are turned down, they will likely get no one. I think that happened at Yale this year. Perhaps another reason is that when you’re at a school, you are more aware of the politics of a PhD program. There is a lot of posturing that needs to be done.


  20. Thanks, Sean! Now I have to chuckle at myself, being so defensive of my alma mater! I agree with everything you write in this post, and I’m grateful (again) for your contribution to this conversation.


  21. #15: In answer to this question, I reply: “Regent College“! Regent was founded for just such people, in fact: a place where interested laypeople could come for a summer, or a year, or even two years and take a course, or a diploma, or a degree, respectively.

    Our student body is about one-third Canadian, one-third American, and one-third everywhere else (we have more alumni/ae in Hong Kong than any other city in the world except Vancouver itself). Our students range in age from 22 to 72 or so, and in background from recent BA’s to seasoned PhDs and MDs, from architects to engineers to homemakers to sculptors.

    So check us out, and see if this might be for you.

  22. Andy Rowell Says:

    As a Regent College MDiv grad and current Th.D. student at Duke Divinity School, I agree with everything John and Sean have written.

    The only thing I would add is that John’s advice paper(together with Rikk Watt’s similar warnings) scared me for about five years away from Ph.D. programs. It took a village of professors at Taylor University where I was a visiting instructor for two years to reiterate to me that they actually enjoyed doing their Ph.D. degrees, found jobs, and loved their families through it all! After hearing them, I decided to make the plunge. I was 0 for 5 applying my first year and then savvier the second year and was 4 for 5 in applying.

    On the Regent College front:
    At Duke there is one other Th.D. student from Regent besides me and a Ph.D. student in NT from Regent. But the Ph.D. student had a Harvard undergrad degree and the other Th.D. student first did his Th.M. at Duke after his MCS at Regent. But I also have a friend from Regent College (MCS grad) at University of Chicago in OT and two Regent grad friends at Baylor in Philosophy. One did his Th.M. at Regent. Another Regent MCS/Th.M. grad friend is doing his Ph.D. at University of Stirling with David Bebbington.

    Andy Root (now at Luther Seminary) and Tony Jones who were in the Ph.D. program (Practical Theology) at Princeton Theology Seminary were both Fuller grads.

    My Taylor University college roommate went to Gordon-Conwell and is at Harvard University doing his Ph.D in OT. Other friends from Taylor University are doing their Ph.D.’s at Fordham University in Philosophy, New York University in OT (Princeton Theological Seminary masters degree), and Toronto’s Institute for Christian Studies (Mars Hill Graduate School masters degree).

    Two friends of mine from Vancouver had done some work at Trinity Western University and Regent and then went to Durham University and did OT and NT respectively.

    I am happy to set you up with any of these friends if that would be helpful.

    all the best,

    Andy Rowell
    Th.D. Student
    Duke Divinity School
    Blog: http://www.andyrowell.net/

  23. Kent Eilers Says:

    Prof. Stackhouse –

    Very well said, sage counsel through and through. I am two-thirds of the way through my PhD in systematic theology at the University of Aberdeen and received very similar advice during my exploration process leading up to application.

    I might add that individuals, men and women, considering studying in the British system must consider their ability to work in a very individualized system in which the great majority of their degree program will be be occupied in writing a more lengthy dissertation than required in N. American programs (as far as I know). I have seen more than one person struggle intensely because they were not adequately self-motivated to be productive in the system here.

    Cheers from across the pond.

  24. yam Says:

    Excellent stuff, Prof Stackhouse!

    I am an ethnic Chinese, native of Hong Kong, have a seminary degree from Gordon-Conwell some years back, and have JUST successfully completed my PhD in Edinburgh.

    In my own blog I am writing a series on how to get onto the long road toward a theological doctorate. It is mainly targeted at ethnic Chinese people from East Asian societies, and is written in Chinese (with abstracts in English). Some from this background might find it helpful:
    http://yamje.blogspot.com/search/label/roadtodoctorate

  25. snoogles Says:

    Thank you for your helpful advice. Would it be too much of a firebomb to ask if there are things that need to change in academic theology in order to attract and encourage people who feel or have a vocational calling to teach and write? Or do you feel that the guild is becoming increasingly polemical and going the way of specialization? I hope these questions make sense.


  26. Snoogles, I think that some graduate schools, particularly at the master’s degree level, do aim broadly to equip a wide range of people for teaching and writing in various modes. We certainly do that here at Regent College, even as I must say we remain in “academic mode” most of the time.

    In university departments, however (and I say this as someone who used to teach in one and who endorses their vocation), a strict focus upon the academic profession from the MA on up is pretty typical.

    Specialization? Yep, that’s the way of the academy since at least the middle of the 20C and arguably back to the University of Berlin in the 19C! Polemical? But of course!

    The question is whether these various sorts of experiences can provide for a given individual an education pertinent to his or her vocation. And because schools and programs do vary so much in these ways and others, caveat emptor!

  27. snoogles Says:

    Hi Dr. Stackhouse, thanks for your reply. I don’t think I articulated my question clearly at all. I am wondering how you hold on to your sense of calling or vocation when it seems that there is much, in order to be successful or even “make it,” to do in academia that seems to run counter to who we are called to be as Christians. I know that this isn’t a struggle that is isolated to academic theologians, but it would be helpful to hear how one can negotiate that. Thank you!


  28. Okay, snoogles, let’s try again! My previous answer contains a hint of what I’ll write now, namely, that one shouldn’t aim at a career in the academy unless one can endorse its mission. In my case, I believe strongly that universities should include research and teaching about religion, and should encourage such research and teaching in a mode appropriate to the mission of the public university (versus, say, a seminary or Christian college). Since I feel that way, I could participate wholeheartedly in a public university setting and the only problems I had there were either personality conflicts (no surprise, alas, given my personality!) or ideological contest with people who were not in fact playing the university game properly. Interestingly, however, while I had trouble with my two successive department heads and another colleague, I got along very well with the deans of Arts and with the university presidents, who several times had me represent the university in public events. In fact, I received an “outreach award” for representing the university in the news media and other venues.

    I don’t mean to say that there aren’t problems. As I intimated, I had them myself, and when I was up for promotion to (full) professor, some long knives finally came out. But all they could do was attempt to compromise the legitimate process, and when I caught one of them doing it, he was made shamefacedly to apologize and the rest went swimmingly.

    If, however, the kind of teaching one wants to do or the kind of writing one wants to do is not valued in the secular university, then one isn’t called there and shouldn’t aim at it, but rather should rejoice in one’s vocation and seek employment somewhere else. I certainly have enjoyed my episodes of teaching in an explicitly Christian setting, as I do now, and that setting gives me freedom and encouragement to do things I couldn’t do at the university.

    But the opposite is also true, and I miss the atmosphere of the secular university, I miss the pluralism of my classes, I miss the diversity of outlook among my colleagues, and I miss the particular kind of strenuousness demanded in the particular modes of scholarship that are valued so highly there.

    So get clear what happens at which kind of place, and sort that out before God as to where he’s calling you to flourish for his kingdom’s sake.

    Does that help?

  29. snoogles Says:

    Yes, very much so… I appreciate your sharing and the time you took to do so – thanks! Your blog is a real blessing.


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  31. mlanser Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse –

    I will follow suit with others in thanking you for this post. I am currently looking into starting my graduate work (M.A.) and continue asking the question of whether or not I should even venture down that road. Yet, though knowing the difficulties that lie ahead I cannot see myself doing anything else. Moreover it is some comfort to myself that any profession will have its own difficulties, struggles, and stresses. This therefore makes it a bit easier to choose the path of a Ph.D. for at least there, I will be enjoying my work.

    In looking at academe, my wife and I have also thought of taking my Ph.D. into the “mission field”. What I mean by this is that I would finish my Ph.D. (most likely in Hebrew/Semitics and the like) after which, we would set off for teaching in a smaller Bible school in (let’s say) Africa. I was wondering if this is a far-fetched idea or if it is actually feasible (and being done by others). One of the reasons this avenue appeals to me is that it (may) broaden the possibilities for hire as well as provide a different dynamic in teaching. I am not at the point where I feel a “calling” to missions rather I am simply wondering if this is another option available.

    Thanks again.

    -Matthew Lanser
    http://havelhavalim.wordpress.com


  32. mlanser, by all means consider earning a Ph.D. and serving in Africa. You may well serve at a Bible school, but you also may be called instead, or eventually, to a seminary or university. I don’t mean that the latter are better than the former (I’m a former Bible school student and instructor myself), it’s just that a Ph.D. may be more training than one needs for Bible school teaching and God may put you in a place of broader influence if you earn that credential and develop that level of expertise.

    Developing countries continue to need genuine scholars with proper training and there is much for Christians to do there with open minds, hearts, and hands. Onward, brother!

  33. mlanser Says:

    Dr Stackhouse –

    Thank you for your timely reply to my question. In the past I have had concerns that I may be shooting myself in the foot by seeking such a specific degree that it may in effect exempt me from teaching in developing countries, however, hearing replies such as yours has aided in quieting such worries. It is a bit relieving to know that other avenues exist apart from a university position in the States.

    Thank you again.

    Matthew Lanser
    http://havelhavalim.wordpress.com

  34. Liam Says:

    That is a brilliantly helpful list, I have just finished my under grad and have day dreamed about doing postgrad and I think this has resolved me against it. Not a bad thing, I am glad in fact to have clarity in relation to it all. Thanks


  35. [...] “Thinking about a Ph.D.?” from John Stackhouse’s [...]

  36. Josh Says:

    Great information!

    Dr. Stackhouse,

    Can you give me any info on Ph.D. programs overseas? I’ve heard that they don’t take as long and that their Ph.D.’s are more marketable in the U.S. Is this true? Also, are these schools harder to get into? Is U. of Oxford or U. of Cambridge harder to get into than Duke, Yale, or Harvard? Also, if you could rank the overseas Ph.D. programs in Religion, what would your top 5 or 10 be? Thanks for the post!

    Grace be with you.


  37. Josh, See the article above where I (briefly) discuss British, Canadian, and American programs re content and length. I’ll add this: Ph.D.’s range from the Oxbridge dissertation-only degrees which take 3+ years to the biggest American programs (courses, comprehensive exams, and dissertation) which take some people a very long time indeed (I had friends at Chicago in their twelfth or thirteenth year–but they were working other jobs part- or full-time).

    As for which degrees are more marketable, no, British degrees are not automatically more marketable here in North America. (Just see where people have earned their doctorates at the schools you most respect.) Indeed, common sense would say that if Job Candidate A walks in and says, “Here’s my Oxford degree that I earned with a dissertation,” he’s going to have trouble competing with Job Candidate B who walks in and says, “Here’s my Princeton degree that I earned with a dissertation . . . and advanced coursework, and several field exams.”

    Furthermore, no job candidate is considered only on the basis of her last degree, but as a whole package of education, research activity, teaching experience, and other factors. Of course it’s better to have a prestigious degree from Cambridge or Yale, all things being equal, but all things are rarely equal in a job competition.

    As for which schools are harder to get into, I don’t have any broad data. Anecdotally, however, it seems to me that the very top American schools demand the most from candidates and they also seem to me to have the smallest ratio of acceptances to rejections. The top British schools would be next, at the same level as the very, very good American programs, and down from there. I’d be glad to know if anyone has any hard(er) data on such a matter.

    I don’t think one can rank the overseas Ph.D. programs in Religion on a single scale. I mean, is studying theology at Tuebingen with Juergen Moltmann better or worse than studying it with John Webster at Aberdeen or Alister McGrath at London? And since senior people seem to come and go from the top places in the U.K. at least as often as they do in the U.S. (there is very little mobility in the much smaller academy of Canada), and maybe more often, generalizations always run the risk of being out of date.

  38. ben Says:

    i have a question regarding the wisdom in pursuing an m.a. or th.m. prior to seeking some sort of doctorate. is there any? are these programs easier to get into? and could they be places in which students could further demonstrate an ability to write, research, etc. and thereby ultimately up their chances of being accepted into more prestigious ph.d./th.d. programs? i think it might not hurt me to have the extra formal setting to continue to develop (or even spawn!) these types of abilities anyway. what do you think?

    by the way, thanks for all your time and help, dr. stackhouse. you really are helping folks figure out their lives!

  39. ben Says:

    i forgot to point out in my first reply that i already have an mdiv.! sorry about the confusion…


  40. Dear Brother ben,

    Some schools will be fine with a M.Div. degree, since those degrees normally include quite a bit of academic work supplemented by what Ph.D. programs would see as professional studies.

    Completing an academic master’s degree, then, such as the M.A. or Th.M. (at Regent, we have the M.C.S. and the Th.M.) would not help your application unless it was actually adding some other factor, such as the greater prestige of a different/better school, a higher GPA than you earned in the M.Div., letters of reference from more influential professors than those in your M.Div. training, and so on.

    (We had a student at Regent whose undergraduate degree he knew would not be well respected, so he did both the M.C.S. and the Th.M. to make up for it, to establish a considerable record of excellence. It paid off, literally, with an excellent scholarship at a fine school–Notre Dame–and now he is teaching at a good university.)

    Actually writing a thesis in the M.A. or Th.M., to be sure, provides excellent training for the dissertation. And if you write an excellent master’s thesis, you enable your references to commend you for doctoral work much more strongly, for they will have seen what you can do on the most similar sort of work there is. Short of that, however, I don’t see that going to the trouble of earning a second master’s degree will help you by itself.

    Again, some departments of religious studies will insist on a university M.A. because they disparage seminaries and some elite schools will require you to prove yourself with an M.A. or Th.M. at a top-flight school before they let you in to their Ph.D. But that’s what I meant when I said that your second master’s degree would be warranted only if it provides you with a credential or other advantage along with it: Having two master’s degrees, in other words, is not especially impressive in itself and would not normally increase your likelihood of being accepted.

  41. ben Says:

    i see what you mean, and i appreciate the insight, dr. stackhouse.


  42. [...] John Stackhouse has written an excellent post for people considering a PhD, well worth a read, it certainly quelled my fantasies of Post Grad work! [...]


  43. [...] My fellows bloggers here at Carver319 and myself often enjoy chatting about the prospect of pursuing a PhD, as im sure many other would be academicians do. Thankfully, Professor John Stackhouse (Sangwoo Youtong Chee Professor of Theology and Culture, Regent College, Vancouver, Canada) has some advice. [...]


  44. [...] list of suggestions, and if you are looking for more information still, I encourage you to read a recent blog entry by John Stackhouse, professor at Regent College in Vancouver, BC.  His article also offers an extensive list of [...]


  45. Dr. Stackhouse, thanks for this fascinating article. It is very helpful for me. I have posted a link to this page in my blog.

    blessings,
    Eka

  46. Richard Barrett Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse –

    This is a fascinating article which comes along at an interesting time for me.

    Can you speak a little to how rigorous the Bachelor of Arts requirement is, and why that might be? My undergrad degree is a Bachelor of Music; I applied for a Masters program right out of graduation and was turned down because I had a B. Mus. instead of a humanities degree (whatever they think music is, I don’t know), even with a 3.83 and a 700 verbal GRE score. I was told to get some Greek and Latin on my transcript as well as some seminars, and I did so, applying again two years later with a 3.96, two years of Latin, three semesters of Greek, a year of Syriac, and other coursework now on my transcript (as well as other experiences like presenting at conferences and so on). I was turned down again, being told that even with all of that, without a B. A. my application automatically went in a different pile than everybody else’s. Essentially, I was told, “you can’t get there from here.”

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks,

    Richard


  47. Brother Richard,

    The reply you’re getting makes perfect sense to me if you’re applying to a Department of Religious Studies. If we turn it around, it’s unlikely that my BA in History would qualify me for entry into a M.Mus. program, even if I did have a year’s university trumpet training, significant performance experience on several other instruments, compositions to show, and more (which I do).

    My son is enrolled in an undergraduate music program at a fine conservatory, and it’s likely that he will write very few advanced papers before graduation, while anyone in the humanities division of his school will write quite a number.

    Nonetheless, you seem admirably qualified for a master’s degree at a seminary or at a graduate school such as ours. Indeed, we have enrolled several B.Mus.’s (and a couple of M.Mus.’s) along the way. And such people do then qualify for Ph.D.’s at fine places.

    Does this make sense?

  48. Carl Says:

    Prof. Stackhouse,

    Thank you for “the truth.” Reading this blog was sobering, but I found I was determined at the end.

    I’ll be sure to revisit over the next few years as I prepare for Ph.D. :)

    Thanks,
    Carl

  49. Richard Barrett Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse,

    Thank you for your thoughts. I’m not sure your analogy holds up, however. My experience with various big schools of music, including that which bestowed my degree, is that the first datum considered by an admissions committee is the quality of the audition, with that often being the sole factor taken into account when it comes time to give out financial support as well.

    I suppose I’m also not sure what is meant by “very few advanced papers”; I had to write several papers as part of my school’s B.Mus. curriculum, and even was able to publish one in a professional journal, but perhaps being unsure of what you mean is itself proof of your point.

    I suppose what is frustrating to me is that each time I have gone through the application process, I’ve been given encouragement from people who it seems who should know what they’re talking about (tenured faculty, department chairs and so on) — and it’s not like I’ve ever hidden what my undergrad is. But it’s only after I get turned down that the tone changes to, “You know, I don’t know why we didn’t think of this earlier, but your B.Mus. poses an insurmountable problem.”

    If it takes a pay-to-play “deficiency option” from here — well, that’s just not realistic for me at this stage of the game, I’m afraid.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    Richard


  50. Brother Richard, I’m sorry if I’m not responding very well. I have not myself ever applied to a school of music, so my analogy may be wrong. I am doubting that someone could get into a M.Mus. program on the strength of a fine audition and an undergraduate degree in civil engineering. I’d be interested for you to tell me I’m wrong about that!

    Furthermore, I never doubted that you had to write some papers as part of your B.Mus. curriculum. But those who major in, say, history or English or religious studies write literally dozens of papers, short and long, by the time they have their degree. That’s the kind of difference I mean.

    I certainly am sorry that you’ve been given a runaround in admissions. It should be easy for a school to tell you what the B.Mus. will count for in a specific program. Again, I encourage you to consider seminaries or graduate schools such as Regent that are indeed set up to admit students from undergraduate programs other than religious studies and theology (although we welcome them too, of course!).

    Given what you’ve said of your extra coursework in languages and the like, however, you also might investigate British Ph.D. programs, which in my experience, at least, are often surprisingly welcoming of students with “non-standard” but excellent credentials.

  51. Richard Barrett Says:

    I’m not saying that they wouldn’t have to do some remedial coursework, but I’ve indeed seen similar cases get in, and with funding, entirely on the basis of their audition — at least at the school from which I graduated (which I decline to name at the moment — not Julliard or Eastman, but often ranked with them).

    Yes, it should be easy enough for somebody to know to tell me that a B.Mus. won’t pass muster before I apply. Alas.

    Thank you again; your responses have been informative, to say the least.

    Richard

  52. Philip Says:

    Dr Stackhouse,

    Thank you very much for writing such a useful resource for grad students. I wonder if you could speak a little more to the importance of undergrad work. For instance, I did my undergrad at a small unaccredited bible college, but now I am in my second year at George Fox University doing a Mdiv. Are my chances of getting into a Ph.D program slim to none because of my undergrad work or does my grad work at George Fox overrule any inadequacy in my undergrad? I have thought that perhaps doing a ThM after my Mdiv would help my case, do you have any advice?

    Thanks again

    Philip


  53. Brother Philip,

    The lack of an accredited degree will hurt your admission prospects fatally at many schools, badly at some others, but not with all of them. Several acquaintances of mine studied first at Bible schools and then went to Regent for master’s degrees. I can think of specific alumni who then got doctorates from some pretty good schools, including Oxford University.

    One of our recent alumni did earn both a MCS and ThM degree here because he did feel that he needed to make up for his Bible school program. He was successful, earning admission to some fine doctoral programs. He graduated from Notre Dame and now teaches at a good Christian university.

    So it really depends on the program as to what they will make of your undergraduate program. The MDiv will not be enough, typically, for entrance into a university department of religious studies in the US or Canada. But it might get you into a good doctoral program at a seminary or university-affiliated divinity school in North America, and very possibly into a doctoral program in the U.K.

    Anyone else have comments in this regard?

  54. Philip Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse,

    Thank you very much for the quick reply. This was both encouraging and helpful in giving me a realistic view of what type of schools I should be looking at.

    If anyone else has some experience or advice along this line I would love to here it.

  55. Josh Says:

    I have a similar question:

    Will a low G.P.A. in undergraduate work hurt you fatally in getting into a solid Ph.D. program? I’m going to begin my M.Div in 2009 and considering Duke, Wake Forest Divinity, and Asbury for seminary. My undergrad G.P.A. is a 3.33. If I do well in my M.Div (3.75+), would I still be competitive for getting into good programs?

    Thanks


  56. No, I don’t think the undergraduate GPA will be fatal. A B+ average in undergraduate work will be fine, especially if you knocked down some A’s in your main field or fields most relevant to theological studies. But, as others have said, the most choosy programs will take few people without BOTH high numbers all along and from prestigious schools. So what? So look elsewhere for doctoral studies, as you are doing, and see how things shake out–providentially speaking, of course!

  57. Jennifer Says:

    Arriving a litte late to the discussion but just thought I’d contribute my “two cents’ worth” on the distance study portion of the conversation. I completed an MCS at Regent and have now begun PhD studies at Liverpool Hope University via distance. Although this school is definitely a lesser-known choice, it is a good option depending on one’s area of study, and it is interesting to note that it is currently the only ecumenical school in the UK. In the Theology/Religious Studies department, Dr. Kenneth Newport is of course an excellent supervisor for anyone persuing Wesleyan studies, and for those interested in Church History, Missiology, Non-Western Church trends, etc, Dr. Andrew Walls (who I am studying under) has just recently joined the university in the capacity of Prof. of Mission History. As well, earlier this spring Liverpool Hope opened the Andrew F. Walls Centre for the Study of African and Asian Christianity – an excellent collection of resources for those studying in these fields. Dr Daniel Jeyaraj is the new director of this centre, coming to Hope from Princeton.

    There are of course the drawbacks/disadvantages associated with distance research, as Dr. Stackhouse has pointed out, but all the same Liverpool Hope may be worth looking into for those wishing to do research in some of these particular areas…

  58. Jennifer Says:

    pursuing! not persuing! my inner spellcheck must have clicked off there…

    One more thing I forgot to mention – in the Theology/Religious Studies department at Liverpool Hope, degrees are currently granted from the University of Liverpool, as they act in partnership in this particular department. Perhaps helpful insofar as the University of Liverpool would (I assume?) be more highly recognised/valued than Liverpool Hope (Dr. Stackhouse, perhaps you could comment on that?)

  59. Todd Price Says:

    Excellent. This is very helpful as I consider and pray about options. Thank you for writing this!


  60. Thanks, Sister Jennifer, for these posts. I’m looking forward to my first visit to Liverpool Hope University, scheduled for next April. I intend to report back on what I find out! It strikes me as indeed an interesting experiment in higher education in several ways. As to the “marketability” of the degrees, I just don’t know yet. I expect, however, that currently it will depend largely on the prestige of the doctoral supervisor (e.g., the eminent Professor Walls), and that might be enough.

  61. Jennifer Says:

    Thanks for the reply, Dr. Stackhouse, and I look forward to hearing about your time at Hope next spring. I am still debating the pros/cons of distance research myself, having only started a few months ago. I may yet end up relocating to the UK… Anyway – I do look forward to hearing your thoughts after your visit! Thanks for this informative discussion.


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  64. Rev. Barbara Russo Says:

    I have two questions which you have touched on a bit: Are there any research-only doctorates in theology available in Canada? (for example, being granted through partnerships with British seminaries or universities?) Question two: I don’t expect that I could ever make a living, but I’ve decided to study for an advanced degree just to preserve my sanity. Still, I would be grateful if in the end I could make some sort of contribution. Would a Ph.D. better my chances of being published, esp. since I’d probably only be an independent scholar? Perhaps a Th.M would be as useful given the odds? Thanks for the refreshing candor.


  65. There are no research-only doctorates in theology in Canada that any serious school would take seriously–at least, not yet. (See posts 58 and following.)

    A Ph.D. will perhaps help you get published, while a Th.M. will make no difference in terms of credentials beyond an M.Div. But the Ph.D. will only help, maybe, and only a little, in getting or sustaining the attention of an editor, but the quality of the book and of your own credentials (e.g., your professional accomplishments, the audience you would bring as possible readers) relative to the book will be what really matters.


  66. [...] Ph.D. programs, please see Regent College’s Professor John Stackhouse’s blog: http://stackblog.wordpress.com/thinking-about-a-phd/).  So we looked into secular universities that have a divinity [...]

  67. M.Div Hopeful Says:

    RE: Richard Barrett

    Have you ever considered Yale Divinity? Divinity Schools in general tend to be more accepting of students who have degrees in fields other than religion/philosophy/history/etc. But YDS specifically has combined programs with Yale’s institute of Sacred Music. I went to the Divinity School’s open house and from what the ISM prof said, you sound like the perfect fit for joint admission to Divinity/ISM.

    And, getting your M.Div from YDS I imagine would override any concerns Ph.D programs may have had about your B.Mus background.

    Hope that helped.

  68. smokey Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse,

    What a sobering blessing this post is. I’m finishing up an M.Div now at a small seminary in Memphis and I’m teaching as an adjunct in our undergraduate program in Arkansas. I’ve been looking at Ph.D. work since last year, and this post has already answered a number of questions I had. One that has not been touched on is this. What roll, if any, does teaching experience and a strong chance of employment have on the application process? The dean of our undergraduate program in Bible and Religion is on my theis committee and will be writing one of my recommendation letters. My plans to pursue a terminal degree (PhD or possibly ThD) are based in a large part on his encouragement and the prospect of a full-time position at the institution where I currently teach.


  69. Teaching experience might help you get your first job, but it won’t help you much, if at all, in getting into a Ph.D. program. Doctoral programs are primarily about research, not teaching, and the fact that you have taught before, and even taught well, doesn’t say anything concrete about your research potential. And even a guarantee of future employment (and there are precious few of those in the academy, and fewer still these days) won’t make any difference in the application.

  70. Melissa Bailey-Kirk Says:

    Do you have any idea about the average age of persons accepted into doctoral programs?


  71. The last time I saw relevant statistics was about 10 years ago. The average age of a recipient of an American Ph.D. in the humanities was 34. The average of a recipient of an American Ph.D. in theological/religious studies was 37.

  72. Andy Rowell Says:

    I did a long post tonight on my blog because I get so many questions as well.

    Advice about Duke Th.D. and Ph.D programs in theology
    http://www.andyrowell.net/andy_rowell/2009/03/advice-about-duke-thd-and-phd-programs-in-theology.html

  73. Richard Barrett Says:

    Hello Dr. Stackhouse,

    Just to follow up, I’ve been admitted to the PhD program of the Ancient Studies field in the History Department at Indiana University, and that with six years of full support. The full story is here: http://leitourgeia.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/counting-hatched-chickens-nos-1-3/

    and here:

    http://leitourgeia.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/counting-hatched-chicken-4/

    Thanks again for your candid feedback and suggestions.


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  76. Charles Says:

    Dear Prof. Stackhouse,

    Do you have any examples of a strong Statement of Purpose, or know on the web where I can find an example? Do you have any suggestions about writing one?

    Charles

  77. Andy Rowell Says:

    I put this down in my post:
    http://www.andyrowell.net/andy_rowell/2009/03/advice-about-duke-thd-and-phd-programs-in-theology.html

    You want to be able to name why the school is the best possible place for you to study because your interests coincide with A, B, C and D professors and that they could uniquely prepare you in your areas of interest.

  78. pdxfudge Says:

    Dr. Stackhouse,

    I’m applying to a number of PhD programs and have a question that you can possibly help me with. Is it appropriate to contact multiple professors at the same seminary, with different research proposals? I have two ideas that I’m pursuing. One is more of a historical backgrounds of the NT proposal, and the other is a proposal for a NT research project. Thanks for your thoughts.


  79. Yes, it’s fine to contact various people. In fact, your proposal (as I’ve written above) should make reference to other professors in that department or school, not just your prospective supervisor, from whom you would like to learn.

    You take a risk in your actual proposal/application, however, if you say, “I’d like either to study X with Professor A or Y with Professor B,” since the admissions committee might incline toward students who have a single focus. But I don’t know that such honest ambivalence would necessarily sink your application. Perhaps you could say, “I’d be delighted with either line of inquiry at this stage, recognizing that Professor A or Professor B might not be free to accept a new doctoral student at this time” or some such.

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